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Just wanted to make a slightly more high-profile update, in regards to the Zelda Translation Project, announcing that I have gotten a little more Zelda manga and doujnshi. So, if there are other people out there that could be interested in translating it, there's still plenty of stuff up for grabs- Check it out here: History of Hyrule.com

Also, if you have Zelda doujinshi I don't have listed there: (and can't read it either,) if you wanted to donate scans to me (they'd have to be 300pdi so the little text can be read clearly) there is a very good chance someone will offer to translate them. (I'll pimp them more than my own too, to increase their chances.) You will always be credited as the donor of the scanlations on the site too. Or, if you wanted a bit of cash for the scans, there's some info on that page about that too. I'd like to see the cover and an example page or two if I was going to think about paying though.

Also, here's some little tidbits of manga info that might be of interest some:

One of the translators working on the project, Corinna aka: Rinael, let me know that the Phantom Hourglass manga should be out soon in a novel format. It sounds like it was done being released in the kid's magazine sometime near mid-December. or something.

And, my suspicions were correct! Another translator, a friend of a friend to the community, (I don't want people to bother them,) has tackled the interview of Aonuma and the Himekawa girls, who drew/wrote much of the Zelda manga; it states that it WAS Aonuma's idea to make changes to the story and to add characters. It says that he spoke with Miyamoto about this desire, and the girls said that they followed Nintendo's wishes on the matter. Also, it really confirmed that they did indeed do official art for the Wind Waker (the cute stained glass window looking stuff that NoA made wallpapers of.) And Aonuma also states that the Rito race, from the Wind Waker, were directly inspired by, and created because of, one of Himekawa's original flying characters from one of their earlier works. So, if you hate the way the manga deviates from the game stories; please don't, at least completely, blame Akira Himekawa for that ;p Like most professional artists: you're working for a client and you will most likely have to follow their wishes if you want the job. I'll be posting that interview, along with the the other stuff, when the translation project moves a little further along.

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crazyfreak Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2009
Wow well that changes a lot of things, I thought Akira did had some influences on the storyline, but instead they were just commissioned and Aunoma + Zelda team did a lot of work. o_o

I'm probably the only one who actually likes the manga's, even though they do have some flaws (ahem Ganty, and skipping things) But other than that they have great things! (Raven, Majora's mask original story) And I think Link is cute.. :XD:

And also Aunoma was involved with creating Ocarina of time, Majora's mask, Windwaker and PH all of my favourite games... =P I really don't think he does a sucky job (atleast for me)...

D: I want to read that interview so badly!
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Woodland-Mel Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2009
It does sound like they did have a fair amount of input at least on later volumes (the wording can be vague,) but yeah, it really seems like they were pretty much just commissioned and did what they thought, or were told, Nintendo wanted.

I like the manga too :3 But yeah, I don't hold them to the games, I enjoy them for what I feel they are, which is enough for me. There is the part of me wishes that the LttP one could have had an end story more like the game, but I think Himekawa accomplishes a lot with all them in regards to art and conveying interesting emotions. & Link feels like Link to me and that's really the only character I think I'd be pissed if they didn't nail. (Just personally, since I don't have a real strong attachment to anyone but him, but I certainly feel that other people have valid points about the other characters)
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crazyfreak Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2009
Yeah I like both games and manga, the games is more of how you can see Zelda like for example couple Link with any other character, I mean you are the character Link. While the manga actually gives a more indepth of the characters themselves, like how Nintendo wanted to portray them (especially Link since he has no personality in the game except being a nice guy to everybody).

I actually am collecting the english Zelda manga's now, finally after all these years I have Oot vol 1 and 2 and MM.. :XD: I remembering reading the fantranslations over and over again when I was a kid!

When are you going to put up this interview online? I'm so curious!
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OldSkoolLink Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2009  Student Artist
holy shit, you're going trought with it

that's fucking awesome!
\i'll be supporting :P
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MaraTuna Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
I KNEW THAT'S WHERE THE RITO CAME FROM!!! I KNEW IT I KNEWITI KNEWIT!!!! XD SCORE 1 FOR ME! XP
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Keaton-Chan1 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2009
I really want to read the PH manga. Are they releasing it in America, or is it just the OoT/MM that they're translating?

I enjoyed the differences between the game and manga stories. It makes it a lot more interesting, and I think they pulled it off quite well.
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MajorasMasks Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2009  Professional Artisan Crafter
I already knew that Akira Himekawawere making a PH manga, I read about it somewhere but I don't remember where anymore.

And I DID suspected that the Rito race was based on that really nice OoT manga character (sorry, I don't remember his name anymore)! :D
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Woodland-Mel Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2009
I posted about it here and Zelda Legends. I don't doubt other sites could have figured it out too. But, they were releasing it in a magazine, so it's sort of news that it sounds like they finished because it will be easier to get copies when it's in a book and has an ISBN ;3 So I wanted to say something

Yeah, I believe it is that character. He had a weird name. I think Annie's translation of it, and Viz's, might be different too. I need to look that up
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MajorasMasks Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2009  Professional Artisan Crafter
I will buy the Viz version too, when I can (I already have the JP volume and the scanlations), if you want I will tell you about that, even if it will probably took sometimes since I'm going to buy the two OoT volumes in 3-4 months...
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Woodland-Mel Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2009
Oh, I have it, I just have to get annie's files from my back-up drive. It would be easy to do, I just always forget to do it ;p
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MajorasMasks Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2009  Professional Artisan Crafter
Ah, ok then. ^^
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MajorasMasks Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2009  Professional Artisan Crafter
Forgot to say that, instead, I had no idea that the stained glass illustrations were made by them. O___O
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marthlovesroy Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
That translation is concerning the PH manga that had noticeable changes? I haven't read it, so what kind of things did Aonuma add or simply do?

Were your suspicions that Akira did the artwork for WW, too? Because now that you mention it, I can entirely see that. Their stain glass pictures are so cute.

As for the games versus manga, I don't consider the manga as game canon at all. Despite Nintendo's okay (of course they had to give Akira the greenlight), or Aonuma's involvement.

Reasons being that the manga was post game storyline, and each respective storyline tell a different story in my opinion. As in, the feeling you get from each is very different. It's like a book versus its movie counterpart. eg, "That didn't happen in the book! Roar!" That's about as simply as I can put it. ;D
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Woodland-Mel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
The interview was done before the PH manga, with the Link to the Past manga they did, so I'd have no idea on that either.

Yup, that was also one of my suspicions, because those window things looked like their more stylized style to me... I just wasn't sure enough :3

Yeah, I don't think it makes them canon to the series at all either. The main thing I was going for was ...In regards to the people who were claiming that Himekawa had no real creative involvement with Nintendo- that's been disproven now (in my eyes) as is the claim by some that in no way is there "offical" manga. I understand Official can be defined in a few ways... but: if you get paid to do something by a company and they tell you what they want, I'd personally consider it, soundly, official.

It seems that they had a sit down and Aonuma described to them what he wanted (they had never played the game, so I assume he or someone else really spent a good deal of time filling them in) and then they had to all agree on everything before they were hired. I just found it interesting that after Nintendo hired them for the manga that the game staff started to be inspired by the things Himekawa did. But inspiration can come from anywhere so, like with the Rito thing, I only take that as a cute bit of info, and not much else :3
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marthlovesroy Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
It is very stylized, and you can entirely point out their style, as well as tell Akira are made up of chicks, cause their art style is so damn cute, lol.

I understood what you were saying, and the only reason I went directly to canon was because most of the debates about story deviation and legitimacy were rooted in is it or isn't it canon, applied to a game, or just in general.

I used to blame Akira, but I've always known Nintendo had to give an okay in order for it to exist, but now it seems if I'm to blame anyone, it's largely Aonuma, and random others at Nintendo for the atrocity that was the LttP manga, yes/yes? ;D I'm sorry, but that manga was horrific. The only thing I take as canon in that is the cute L/Z moments. The rest of that manga/storyline can burn for all I care. It didn't do one of the best games justice in the slightest.

Aonuma taking over Zelda for Miyamoto is really, overall, a hit and miss with me. His choices are very polarizing. I either love what he's doing, or I outright hate it.

The Rito are a great addition though, whether or not they're evolved from the Zora. Yet, I don't think they are, since Zora have been seen in more recent Toon Link games, or at least I do believe?
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Woodland-Mel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
I loved that art X) even when I still thought I was going to hate the Wind Waker I had to admit that was really cute art.

because most of the debates about story deviation and legitimacy were rooted in is it or isn't it canon, applied to a game, or just in general.
Ah! I see, I see. I've been out of the loop for a long time; the discussion was just starting (for all I know) when I was pretty much already leaving.

You seen the old LttP manga by Shotaro Ishinomori? It's like someone handed them that and said "maybe add another character but, basically, we want you to copy it EXACTLY."

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..and what's with the damn apples. That's also in the other LttP manga, by Cagiva. I wish SOMEONE would make a decent LttP manga/comic, it's so amazing, it really deserves it.

Dude, OMG, I have no idea what's even going on with the Zora- the change from the first 4 games, with Ocarina of Time, already had me confused. I gave it a little thought in WW and then was just like: "No, just stop. Nintendo doesn't even know so you're just going to hurt your brain." Like, if the world flooded, why would water creatures need to evolve into flying creatures, and vise versa...? D:

Time lines aside: maybe there was just an evolutionary split: The blue things became either birds or river hags? *brain hurt bad!*
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marthlovesroy Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
The art for WW/PH/MC/whatever is really cute. It's not my favorite style, but it's very cute. I like the squishy way Akira draws them in the manga more than the actual official game art, too.

Yes, I have, and YES. It seems that way, doesn't it? Akira's may look prettier, but Ishinomori's is far better overall. I feel bad for the girls though... since they've never played a Zelda game, and if Aonuma's not a fan, it's no wonder the manga stunk so much.

I haven't a clue about the apples either. Cause it's a common fruit? Cause it'd be cute? Cause it'd somehow tie in with Zelda? I don't know, and frankly, I don't care. I wish someone would make a decent aLttP graphic novel, too. That and a better OoT/Mm manga... Sorry, but they suck. Just watch. Akira's going to make a TP manga and it's going to be full of ridiculous things that didn't happen, and Link is going to be swooning idiotically over Zelda when clearly he was more romantically interested in Ilia and Midna, and Sheik's magically going to make a magical appearance, and Rito will fly out of Epona's butt, and it will all be canon and trufax!

lmao, yeah. I understand the evolution of each species concerning appearance and environment and all that jazz. I get it. It makes sense to a degree, but for all the Zora to evolve into Rito and just cease to exist would be a crime. Just like the loss of the Gerudo people. DDD; Now THAT makes me super depressed. Goddamn, I hope they're in the next Zelda game and not some little, fleeting homage in the form of a gypsy or cosplay. >:0
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XanderVJ Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
OMG... good old Zelda time line debates...

I used to have quite a hell of discussions about that years ago... and you are right, Mel, it ends up hurting your brain, and for not good reason.

So (frankly my dear) I don't give a damn... anymore.

I mean, I still like to imagine what the time line is like, but I don't go into boards to discuss it and try to make it sound like the indisputable truth. It's just not worth it. And besides, Nintendo wants people to have their own interpretations, so I say believe whatever you want, be happy with it and let it go. "nuff said".

PD: I thought Himekawa's ALTTP manga was cool. :P
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mandeh Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
The Rito are a great addition though, whether or not they're evolved from the Zora. Yet, I don't think they are, since Zora have been seen in more recent Toon Link games, or at least I do believe?

It also depends on where exactly you debate the games to fit into the timeline. It can also be debated into the Zora -> Rito argument because of the symbolism involved in the actual game.

I for one believe in the Zora giving rise to the Rito, even if it IS quite an evolutionary gap. I think it's interesting, how a race of people so different from the sky was able to turn into what it was the polar opposite of what it was.
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marthlovesroy Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, gods. The time line. Don't mention it. While I can rejoice and do a haughty 'told you so' dance for the obvious split time line theory, I won't touch the chronology of the games in a linear time line or anything else. Ow, my brain. XD
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lomwat Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
jfksjlksjgl

PHANTOM HOURGLASS MANGA. YES. I loved the Wind Waker Logs, so cute and funny like a four coma. XD
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mandeh Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
Doesn't change the fact that the OoT manga was just fail!fluff :P Bah...no matter what is said I still can't like that stuff anymore. There's much more potential to the games than what was thought up by them!
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Woodland-Mel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
In no way should it change whether someone should love/hate the actual manga ;D (I'll just let you in on a little secret ;) I've always had a bit of loathing for Aonuma. I mean, what kind of crazy person doesn't like A Link to the Past? So, you know, I just want him to share in any of the blame that is out there) MWAHAHAHAHA >:3
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crazyfreak Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2009
A link to the past was his favourite, he didn't like the first Zelda game! He actually wants to remake alttp!

"I have to say though, the first Zelda game that I played and felt potential in was Link to the Past. I’m actually very interested in what it would be like if we remade that title as a 3D game."
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Woodland-Mel Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2009
I'm not sure that feeling it had potential means he likes it, like Willy Wonka and Tim Burton, but that would make FAAARR more sense if he did. I don't want to doubt it. God though, I really want to find what I read, to see if it wasn't just some dumbass making stuff up because I'm pretty sure which dumbasses forum it was on (anyway)... it was from at LEAST 4 years ago and I've tried looking again but, only recent interviews came up in the searches X( I wish google could read my mind ;p
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crazyfreak Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2009
Yeah, I remember an interview where Eiji said he loathed the first LOZ game, but he fell in love with the a link to the past game, he also did his big part in Ocarina of time, except then he got his old lastname. (now he got his wife's lastname)

:XD: Argh I want to find that interview where he actually said Alttp was his favourite!
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marthlovesroy Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
WHAT?? Aonuma doesn't like aLttP?! How can he call himself a Zelda fan, nonetheless lead the damn franchise as he is?! God damn, that explains a helluva a lot!
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Woodland-Mel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
I swear to god I read that but, it's like, I still don't really want to believe it. IT MAKES NO SENSE D: Then- him saying LttP had no story only seems to confirm it more. Like, maybe I wanted to believe that the first thing I read was a mis-translation or out of context, but... now it REALLY seems real

Because it's always made me sad and angry that Miyamoto would do something like give so much of the series to a guy who didn't seem to love or get it. I simply do not understand why that always seems to happen in creative work places.

Until a Zelda game he touches becomes one of my favorites, I think I'll always feel he was, absolutely, the wrong person to inherit it.
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marthlovesroy Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
I believe you entirely, but are you sure it wasn't a different game, although it'd make perfect sense concerning his involvement with the manga due to saying it lacked a story. I only question because I recall him saying in an interview he'd be interested in making a 3D aLttP game, and that he thought it was great, specifically the side quests, but he hated the first Zelda game. You said translation, so maybe it hasn't been translated into English? Oh, I don't know!

I still don't know how to feel about Miyamoto passing the torch to Aonuma either. I feel the same way. Again, I seem to love/hate Aonuma for various reasons concerning the games he's directed, and agree it feels like he was the wrong person to take over Zelda. Although, he's proven me wrong before, considering I adore a lot games he was fully in charge of, but then there are those small but important things they seem not to get, and albeit small, can eclipse all the good points for me. :\
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Woodland-Mel Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2009
100% that what I read said LttP
But, I don't trust the translation of what ever interview it was 100%

Maybe him wanting to do it in 3d is like Tim Burton wanting to redo Willy Wonka? This I never read, I only heard it from a friend, but they said he apparently didn't really like the original so he wanted to redo it how he thought it should be..? I dunno either.
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MajorasMasks Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2009  Professional Artisan Crafter
For what I remember, I read in an interview that Aonuma thought that LttP was a too difficult game for him to play, not that he didn't like it.

Anyway, if not story, A Link to the Past did lack a bit of overworld "stuff", something that was later added in all other Zelda games, starting from Link's Awakening.

A Link to the Past is a great game for it's dungeons (still among the best ones in the whole series), not the simple plot or even the characters, in my opinion, since these things were developed much better in later games (even if less than the previous one in Twilight Princess, except Midna's characterization which is one of the best in all Zelda games in my opinion).

But I'm biased, since Aonuma directed what it's the best videogame ever made, in my opinion: Majora's Mask. :p
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Woodland-Mel Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2009
XD See, I personally don't get that impression from LttP at all- I had more fun, and spent more time playing in the overworld, than I probably have in any other game. There were things to fight, find, figure out, mess with, play with- it was so complex to me :3 And as for story 8D I mean, that's where so much of the future Zelda story came from; Ganondorf, the master sword, the sages & maidens, alternate realms, the goddesses- It was sad too, all the people lost in the golden land; the trees, the smith, the lost boy, the bully on death mountain- there were so many little stories. I actually believe that it (and LA) have the most, and most interesting, overworld stuff by far. Maybe my love for it makes me delusional, or maybe it's because it endeared itself to me when I was still young? But I really feel that way. I dunno, I can't find any aspect of it that I believe is lacking in anyway: I don't find the plot to be any more simple than that of, lets say, Ocarina of Time or the Wind Waker. To me the plot's of those games are around the same thing. I think it's also important to always keep in mind that it was a different technological era back then. They couldn't fit much on the carts at the time and the space text took up was valuable- it's why all the games before, and around, then would have so much of the story in the booklets. It was always really important to read that stuff. But, that's just me :3
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MajorasMasks Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2009  Professional Artisan Crafter
Well, maybe it's just that I played Ocarina earlier, and even if it's based on A Link to the Past for many things, it still has a richer overworld, imho. For example, the maidens were substituted by the Sages, each one with her/his own story and personality.

I don't even want to start talking about Majora's Mask here, a game that truly has a unique story and awesome characterizations, much more original than in any other Zelda game, too.

But, I believe that older games, for the fact itself that they were simpler, left more space to imagination, so it isn't so strange that you like A Link to the Past more: as you said, you played it as a child (or so I understood), and then you had a completely different experience than me, who played the game at around 20. ;)
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Woodland-Mel Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2009
Yeah, I think that pretty much pegs it too. Back in the 80's, and early 90's, you were really forced to flesh things out with your brain (if you wanted to) and it's not that that isn't in the newer games, you still flesh stuff out, I think it just makes it harder, when you're use to playing "newer" stuff, to go back and force yourself to do that. I know that I have a hard time going back and playing SNES games that I missed out on. I'm sure they don't impact me as much as they use too. Also, you kind of build up game experiences... after a while I find that it's hard to get excited about games as easily maybe because, chances are, you've already had a similar experience (like movies too.) When Ocarina of Time came out, I was in college already and I'd been waiting for it, and reading about it, for maybe 5 YEARS. I had hyped it up so much in my head that I was actually fairly disappointed with it. I didn't hate it, it just wasn't as much as I was expecting it to be. -And it seemed so different from the Zelda's that had been in my life from 6 til then (I think I was 19.) Truth is, a lot of what they were printing about it (this was pretty much pre-internet) was just plain false. But, that's how things were, it's easy to lie when you don't have to print the people calling you out on it. Funny thing is, I hear that happened with some people and Twilight Princess too: They had such high expectations that it wasn't as enjoyable for them as it probably could have been :(
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mandeh Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
I know, doesn't it? ~.~ It boggles the mind...
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marthlovesroy Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
It makes me utterly dismayed, Mands.
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mandeh Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
He doesn't like ALttP?! Does that explain why the manga for it was so craptacular? I would think so! ~.~
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Woodland-Mel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
I know I read that in at least 2 places but I can't be 100%(not like I heard it from him but,) I think it explains a lot about all his games. He also said, in the interview, that LttP "Had no story" and paraphrasing now: 'so they had to come up with a lot for the manga' D:?! My book says: That makes him a fucking blind stupid retard!

And that manga is pretty crap-tacular (I just personally love their style. *looks at pictures, ignores game content*)
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mandeh Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
No story. NO STORY? Okay I better stop there before fuming everywhere :grr:

That really makes NO sense. And so making a bunch of non-canon characters makes for a better story? Really? Quantity does not overrule quality!

The ALttP manga made such little sense and everything...they had a LOT to go with and they treated it so badly. How terrible u.u
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Woodland-Mel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
I sooo need a "nod in agreement" emoticon
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marthlovesroy Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
IAWTC x 1,000
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marthlovesroy Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
But the fail!fluff did not happen in the game, so it's not game canon. Fret not, Mandies. <3
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mandeh Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
Thank god!
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marthlovesroy Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, it's like I said below, it's just like a book versus a movie. For example, look at the Chronicles of Narnia: they made Prince Caspian Susan's love interest in the movie, and that never happened in the book. And while that was a cute cliche to add, it still doesn't make it book canon.
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mandeh Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
They...did...what?

._.;
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marthlovesroy Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly. And you didn't know that? Oh, I am sorry. ;o;
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mandeh Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
I didn't even watch the first movie! I didn't wanna taint my childhood further >>;
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marthlovesroy Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
:hug:
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Woodland-Mel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
I couldn't go see it, I felt I would feel angry ;_;
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mandeh Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2009
Good thinking u.u;
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